Crazy Rant from people moved here. Also Tidyed up, Please take in the light hearted way it is meant -Ferret
In Ferrets view the placid Herbivores that are Vegetarians are in fact more evolved humans that don't want to cause pointless harm to animals. You only eat meat because you are to lazy to cook. <razzley parpy noise>
But you have to cook meat but you can eat certain vegetables raw. So it isn't laziness. And the harm isn't pointless, non-vegetarians kill animals (ideally) or have animals killed because they like eating them. Hence there is a point and the point is to have tasty dead animal on your plate.
Have you tasted raw veggies. Blergh. You have to learn to COOK (Thats like adding spices and stuff), to have a nourishing plate of dead cow is easy, you just cook it! Spectre has survived on dead cow on a plate for years.
Hell, Could be I liked shooting kittens and rolling around in thier bullet ridden corpses. But its a little pointless if the only reason you are doing it is because you like it. I bet the animal's top number one thing to do that day was not 'Become low grade meat in curry'
Another problem with Ferret's view, is that it isn't as simple as eating just dead plants or dead animals (cooked or otherwise). The point is that humans are Omnivores, designed to eat a mixture of both dead plants and and animals. A plate of dead cow (cooked or uncooked), for example, isn't a very balanced meal (no carbohydrates for energy, just fats and protein). Nor, I would argue, is a baked potato (which is mainly carbohydrate and fibre). However, in combination, the two do make a complete and balanced meal, essential for good health. I consider a Carnivores diet to be as bad as a Herbivores.
I'm no longer a vegetarian (nor strict speaking ever was as I ate tasty fish) but I was from age 5 to age 18. I will agree that my stopping my vegetarian was partly out of laziness and not wanting to wait for the vegetarian option when I was with a group of people who decided that BurgerKing would suffice for a days nourishment. Also it was because Sebb would could lovely bacon and give it to me (it's all his fault really). In Germany I think it would be difficult to be a vegetarian. So that's why I'm not a vegetarian, however I was a vegetarian because
- vegetarians tend to be healther and live longer
- Large amounts of rainforest are destroyed for grazing area in south america destroying valuable habitats, alternative food sources for when a huge crop of popular foodstuff is blighted worldwide (which in my opinion is only a matter of time) and there are less trees to break down the CO2 created by us human beans (plus Cows farting so much adds to the greenhouse effect)
- the animals aren't treated well often
- the animals are fed all sorts of chemicals and what not (see Alan Partridge)
- Humans didn't actually eat that much meat back in the olden times, because they had to catch it first, even in the early days of domestication most people couldn't afford to eat much meat.
-- Aimaz
- Facts plz.
- Then don't eat Cow produced in South America. There is plenty of meat produced humanely in the UK. See Beefalo.
- Then don't eat animals that aren't treated well.
- Then don't eat animals that are fed 'all sorts of chemicals' (presumably you mean antibiotics and growth hormones).
- Yes they did. WTF do you think all the nomadic tribes followed the prey? To look at it? Dead animal is a part of most cultures. Think the extinction of the buffalo destroying the native (indigenous) american way of life.
-- Spectre
The chief problem I have with vegetarians is that they are vegetarian for the wrong reasons. Health reasons is fair enough. But the people who are vegetarian out of "love of animals" is fucking retarded. Animals are going to get hurt whatever. I'm as disgusted as you are with intensively reared animal products. But the answer isn't to stop eating animals/animal products, the answer is to eat the NON-INTENSIVELY-REARED alternative, thus supporting the people who choose to treat their animals well and with dignity. Also, most vegetarians are hypocrites. They'll say they don't eat meat because of the "poor animals" but then they go out and eat intensively reared eggs or food with meat gelatin in.
Could it be possibly some people are Vegetarian not because of Long Haired Hippy Animal loving but a sense of social responsibility that the problems of world hunger, growing obesity and exploitation of animals isn't going to be solved by eating another burger. Yes maybe people will have to think a bit more about what they eat before they do when they become vegetarian, but hey nothing hard is ever easy. - Ferret
Spectre, If there was a trustable labelling system on meat then your comments could be worthwhile. For example I eat free-range non-chemical chicken eggs despite them costing twice as much. I don't have the time, energy or know-how required to raise animals fit for consumption otherwise I would produce and consume my own meat products, and I think that is the only way that I could know my meat was treated well, had no chemicals (btw the chemicals comment was a Partridge-esque comment). Also what Iäm saying is not that people didn't eat meat I'm saying that you can't catch enough animals to eat meat every day. Now I don't wish to get bogged down in this whole hippy debate because I do actually eat meat and I enjoy it. But I do try to avoid McDonalds and try to stick to safer food.
-- Aimaz
There is a trustworthy labelling system for organic free range meat (and all organic products). I'm not suggesting that everyone should eat meat everyday (although I think it would be possible to eat meat everyday, one animal != one meal).
Yes it could, and those people should be applauded. World hunger won't be solved by not eating meat either though. You can get fat without eating meat and you can eat meat without getting fat, that comment was non-sequitur. Not all exploitation is wrong, do you mean exploitation as in 'use to maximum advantage' or exploitation as in 'use for selfish purposes'? Would you disagree that supporting sustainable organic farming would go a long way to helping clear up the mess that intensive farming has made?
-- Spectre
If we're not supposed to eat animals why do they taste so good? Eating vegetarian doesn't make you live longer. It just makes it feel longer. Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian.
He also had a side parting... so does Tony Blair... !!!
-- Aimaz
It's a conspiracy I tell ya! A conspiracy of capitalists, governments, side partings, meat eaters and fast food. And I'm sure the Illuminate and Freemasons had something to do with it. Ooo, just found out our local Freemasons gave a huge cheque to charity... wonder where they got the money from... von_morganstein
Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian.
I call godwin's law on this discussion! Hypno 17:18, 24 Dec 2004 (GMT)
I call godwin's law on this discussion!
Godwin's law is
- 'As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.'
It is not something that can invoked or called-upon. Merely something that says that the longer people rant about veggies the more likely it is that the Nazis or Hitler is mentioned.
I am a vegetarian because I think farming animals is a wasteful use of rescouces, It takes a lot more land to raise one cow than to grow a tonne of wheat.Also, I have'nt touched meat for 18 years, and unlike many 25 year old women I am not.. a) slightly podgy b)starting to get wrinkles already... c)prone to colds and flu. whilst I agreee that the diet should have proteins ect in it, I feel driven to point out that lentils and beans contain more protein per weight than beef,and that this protein is far easier and faster to digest. Steak sits in the gut for so long it actually starts to rot (nice). I just love it when non-veggies start lecturing me, I don't generally bother replying as I assume the c.j.d they are likely to be infected with has impaired their ability to think clearly. I just watch them waving their podgy little paws at me and rearranging their gut whilst they babble on, and comfort myself with the sure knowledge that there won't be any progeny around to continue babbling, as the high hormone content in most farmed meats is slowly destroying their ability to reproduce. In short, I will win by dint of waiting for diease to wipe the other half of the argument out, or lack of replacement "omnivores" renders the subject null anyway. This means that arguing with me is pointless, as the above will apply.
You have two cows. Instead of eating them you eat the grain. This is 10 times more efficient and ends world hunger.
Eating red meat makes you smell bad. The Effect of Meat Consumption on Body Odor Attractiveness --Aimaz 15:39, 17 October 2007 (BST)